Does Voting Make Us Happy?

topic posted Sun, January 20, 2008 - 3:46 AM by 
Did you know that the more often people *vote* the happier they seem to be?

Contrary to what we may like to think... about stress reduction .... active engagement in your country's political process is directly related to happiness.

Eric Weiner's "Geography of Bliss" is so fascinating....

Not tropical weather
Not wealth
Not pursuit of happiness

But voting????

Amma
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  • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

    Sun, January 20, 2008 - 7:06 AM
    Amma - It makes sense, not only do we feel happier if we feel engaged and as if we have some say in what's going on, if we vote we're more likely to have a government that actually reflects our needs and desires. It always kind of freaked me out just how many Americans (and other people in wealthy nations) *don't* vote! Maybe it's a way to avoid responsibility? Or they already feel so powerless that any and all engagement seems useless?
  • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

    Sun, January 20, 2008 - 5:20 PM
    It makes me quite UNhappy when I consider how our choices are so circumscribed by the two-party system and the Electoral College. But as I wrote recently in another tribe: ya gotta vote. It's imperfect, it's maddening, it's wholly unsatisfying. It might even be corrupt. I usually have to hold my nose while doing it. But do it I will; it's the bare minimum in citizen participation. The Powers That Be DO watch the numbers.
    • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

      Mon, January 21, 2008 - 3:31 AM
      Tho the raw data suggests that happiness is positively associated with frequency of voting..... we can't really say why, I guess. Or which came first.

      What do you think. Do happier people vote more often? Or does voting more often make people hapier?

      Amma
      • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

        Mon, January 21, 2008 - 6:35 AM
        Amma - Perhaps happy people feel more empowered? I suspect people who have fought for the right to vote, or who appreciate that not everyone gets to vote, are even happier about voting. And people who vote more must be voting in more elections than just the national level so they're probably more engage in their communities on many different levels if they're voting for their school boards, and on city and state/provincial levels. If we're voting in the smaller elections, we can see what impact our engagement actually has in relationship to us. Or so it would seem to me (as someone who votes :-)
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    Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

    Mon, January 21, 2008 - 5:34 AM
    even if they vote for ......... ?
    mmmmm.......
    • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

      Mon, January 21, 2008 - 7:52 AM
      >>What do you think. Do happier people vote more often? Or does voting more often make people hapier?

      If we're looking at causality, I'd have to suspect the former: that "happier" (whatever THAT means) people vote more often because they are socially engaged and at least somewhat optimistic.

      I haven't seen the data, but this correlation would seem to be tenuous at best.

      I wonder how voting participation correlates with socioeconomic class?
      • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

        Mon, January 21, 2008 - 7:54 AM
        >>active engagement in your country's political process is directly related to happiness.

        What about non-voting forms of active engagement, like letter-writing, or vigils, peace marches, etc.?
        • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

          Mon, January 21, 2008 - 8:49 AM
          flaneuse - "What about non-voting forms of active engagement, like letter-writing, or vigils, peace marches, etc.?"

          All good ways to engage too, I don't think one negates the other...do you? All the people I know who are socially engaged in terms of letter-writing, vigils and peace marches also vote. After all, if one is going to be engaged on that level it's kind of silly *not* to vote unless one is making a protest by not voting in some visible way. Even then, voting for a joke party is still more effective at sending a message that you think politicians are clowns! Those I know who don't vote, tend not to do any of these things either because they don't think it will make a difference. All these things are essentially engaging with the democratic process :-) This is just my experience and observations, yours may be quite different and I respect that.

          I'm always amazed though by how many truly intelligent, open, politically progressive, well educated and upper-middle class people I meet from the states who don't bother voting! There does seem to be a direct link between affluence and lack of voter interest - in Australia they had to make it illegal and fine people if they didn't vote back in the 70s because people's lives were generally good and they didn't see much benefit from voting. People tend to come out and vote more when things are going badly for them, when they want a change. Or so it seems to me anyway!
      • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

        Mon, January 21, 2008 - 8:41 AM
        flaneuse - I don't know, you could be right, but it seems to me that voting is an act of optimism in some ways. At the very least, one's optimistic that the act of voting has some impact upon who gets elected and will end up running a country, and so our lives. Voting in countries where there's more of a chance that elections will be rigged is even more optimistic! Though, conversely, I guess that not voting and just expecting everything to be okay is kind of optimistic too!
        • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

          Tue, January 22, 2008 - 3:45 AM
          "voting is an act of optimism in some ways."

          This rings true for me. And I doubt it has a whole lot to do with outcome.....

          Altho, since "Geography of Bliss" looks at happiness studies compiled from all over the world... it is important to note that places like Sweden, where folks vote 7 times a year, could definitely skew the results. It's a small country tho.... right? So the skew wouldn't be THAT large.

          Interestingly..... Scandinavian countries in general tend to score high on happiness scales. Which kinda begs the question of SADD that Americans are so fond of blaming for their sadness.

          And, altho most Scandinavian countries are wealthy.... "Geography of Bliss" does not fine wealth (beyond basic needs) to be correlated with happiness.

          This whole subject really intrigues me.....

          Amma
          • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

            Tue, January 22, 2008 - 3:50 AM
            "If we're looking at causality, I'd have to suspect the former: that "happier" (whatever THAT means) people vote more often because they are socially engaged and at least somewhat optimistic."

            Just to answer "whatever that means." Happiness scales have been used in the social sciences for decades. They display remarkable consistancy.... with both internal and external reliablility. They are administered all over the world, and they are where the data comes from. Plus the anecdotes of the travelling author... Eric Weiner.... who is a seasoned journalist.

            Hope this answers your question!

            Amma
          • Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

            Tue, January 22, 2008 - 7:25 AM
            Amma - Well the old chestnut, money doesn't buy happiness, seems to be true. What tends to make us happy is social connection, being loved, having something worthwhile to do, having the time to have some fun and dance around to music with our friends, and being part of something. The whole "every man for himself" kind of attitude seems to be antithetical to happiness. There's an Australian economist who writes about this every once in a while (I can't remember his name) but it's interesting to read someone from his profession saying money isn't everything ;-)
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    Re: Does Voting Make Us Happy?

    Tue, January 22, 2008 - 3:32 AM
    Amma - I suspect it's a similar sense to buying a lottery ticket. I vote for party X in the hope that I win; and the prize...Everyone in my nation will live for a few years under a government that reflects at least some of my values. However it's probably true to say that for most nations, any level of engagement with the political process or the mechanisms behind it would definitely not lead anyone to happiness.
  • Vote early, vote often...

    Tue, January 22, 2008 - 7:07 PM
    "Vote often, vote early, for James Matthew Curley" ;-)

    .. but I presume you didn't mean often in the same election?
    • Re: Vote early, vote often...

      Wed, January 23, 2008 - 5:22 PM
      Another economist who write about happiness and other values is Robert Frank at Cornell. I've heard him speak a couple times, and he's good.
      • Re: Vote early, vote often...

        Thu, January 24, 2008 - 1:37 AM
        Have to go back one... and say that I misquoted Mr. Weiner. It is the Swiss who vote seven times a year! Not the Swedes. The assertion is made that the Swiss live very predictable lives, for the most part. Their cities are clean. Their trains run on time. They have choices within a limited realm.... And, this it seems leads to quite consistant high scores on happiness scales over time.

        One other thing the author noted about the Swiss is that... they believe "envy" to be their enemy. So, tho they have wealth... as a rule they don't flaunt it.

        Anyone here from Switzerland? Care to weigh in?

        Amma
        • Re: Vote early, vote often...

          Thu, January 24, 2008 - 5:55 AM
          Aha, I knew there must be a confounding variable. Like living in a well-run society!
          • Re: Vote early, vote often...

            Thu, January 24, 2008 - 7:07 AM
            flaneuse - Thanks for the name of the economist, it's interesting to read their takes on these things. The Swedes have a very well run, ethical, humane and logical society too. Not to mention they tend to get lots of fresh air and exercise. I wouldn't discount being healthy as a factor in happiness, or knowing that you won't starve or freeze to death, that your employer can't abuse you, etc.

            On my part, the last time I voted the results made me happy because a more left leaning and environmentally concerned MP got in. He's still a clown but at least he's driving an electric funny car! ;-) Also, here in Canada even if who you vote for doesn't actually get in, our vote counts towards a party's war chest (each vote is worth about $2.50 in campaign funds for the party we vote for).

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